The amount of time it takes to drop shield without any shieldstun also varies between games. An example of this is that if a move deals 15%, it will have 28 frames of shieldstun in Smash 64 (30 in the Japanese version) but in Brawl, it will only have 5 frames of shieldstun. Conversely, it is the hardest to use OoS techniques in Smash 64 because of its high shieldstun.

It is easiest to OoS in Brawl both because the amount of shieldstun is lower than in the other games, and because it takes only 7 frames for a player to drop a shield, making it viable for a player to drop their shield and then use any move. As shieldstun disables a player's ability to use any of their out of shield options, the more shieldstun a game has, the more difficult it becomes to get out of shield. series, the amount of shieldstun has varied. Starting in Melee, characters who can jump out of shield can also jump during their guard-off animation, providing all the same options as jumping OoS.Д«etween the different games in the Smash Bros.

The quicker a move and the better its range, the better the move is OoS. The same goes for many characters' rolls or grabs, especially if they suffer from long lag. For example, Falco's Fire Bird in Melee can be used directly from shield, but is essentially useless due to its lack of hitbox while charging. While all up smashes and up specials are technically out of shield options, as they can be used while shielding, not many of them are effective. A shorter jumpsquat allows the player to access their aerials sooner, which is beneficial. How soon a character will have access to their aerial options depends on the length of their jumpsquat. Any aerial can be performed immediately after jumping, or the player can wavedash or simply jump away. Players can cancel the startup of the jump with either an up smash or an up special. Of all of the options that a player has while shielding, the most important option is jumping. Moves that have high ending lag or very little range are easiest to punish by performing a move OoS. A character's set of out of shield options consists both of 'built-in' moves from shield such as grabs and rolls, as well as many other moves like wavedashes, aerials, and up smashes. Since only some actions can be performed out of shield, the player who is shielding has fewer options both for fighting back and for movement. These moves are usually used in response to shield pressure from an opponent. Out of shield (abbreviated as OoS) options are any moves or other actions that can be performed while a character is shielding. I could be totally wrong though lol, he would def need other reworks and could be way overtuned or campier with no timer.Kirby using an up smash during the guard-off frames. What it would do is give Cloud the option to keep the movement buff instead, giving him the option to better keep up with faster characters like ZSS/Pika or put better offensive pressure on defensive characters like Min Min. I feel like Cloud would have a much harder time camping with his nerfed hitboxes + the new faster ult mechanics/metagame in general. While it did make the character lamer in 4, 4 is inherently a much campier game to begin with. That doesn't feel very strategic or fun to watch imo. Putting it on a 15 second timer encourages the opponent to camp it out instead, often forcing the Cloud to blow limit on a read attempt. Interestingly, I had come to the opposite conclusions. All are punishable and easier to punish than the Limit Slash, but it's not innately obvious to a fair amount of players. This can be anything from dashing / rolling away, to spot dodging or even picking a burst option like Up B. Suffice to say, there are very few of these in the game, which means a well spaced Limit Slash is near impossible to punish outright, it's a lot easier to punish what happens after that Limit Slash as Cloud players tend to pick a panic option if the hit fails. In that time, they have to pick an option that is 12 frames OoS or less and with enough range to punish you for the Limit Slash. In this context, Limit Cross Slash is -12 on shield which means your opponent can move 1/5th of a second between after the final hitbox has finished and you finish your end lag. A maxed spaced move will still have the same shield safety, but will be harder to punish as the range at which an OoS option will need to be longer. Shield safety doesn't take into account the range at which a move is used at.

Smash ultimate frame data out of shield